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AltHist Asia Map 1937 by DaemonofDecay AltHist Asia Map 1937 by DaemonofDecay
This map represents the situation in Asia in my alternate history scenario around 1937.

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Imperial Japan is the reigning power in Asia, its military and economic strength second to none. Ever since rapidly industrializing in the 1800s Japan has sought to retain its independence from the colonial empires and over time began to crave its own empire as well. By 1937 Japan’s territorial gains include the Korean peninsula, the Sandwich Islands, Taiwan, Shanghai and Manchuria, which was held by the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo.

Japan had made a name for itself when, in 1905 the Imperial Japanese Navy crushed the Imperial Russian Baltic fleet. The Japanese lost 117 sailors killed and no major ships lost while the Russians lost 4,380 men killed and 21 ships lost, including 7 battleships. This established Japan as more than just a regional power and was a clear sign of Japanese influence in Asia.

In the Great War Japan entered the war late on the side of the Central Powers and managed to invade Shanghai and the British held Sandwich Islands (also referred to as Hawaii). However, before Japan could invade French Indo-China or the rich Malaysian lands the war was ended, and Japan was left feeling as though it had been denied it’s due.

Japanese expansion then focused at the expense of the politically divided and militarily weak China, who had been the pawn of the European powers for decades. Japan saw China as a necessary step for building its own Empire.

China had, for the most part, been unified under the Kuomintang (KMT) in the late 1920s. Knowing that China needed to industrialize and westernize if it ever hoped to truly become independent Chiang Kai-shek, leader of the KMT, pursued an aggressive policy towards these goals. He also worked to expand on the Sino-German cooperation that had seen very impressive returns over the last half-century. In 1913 there were over 300 German firms in China, and this number only increased over time.

With Germany gaining control of French Indo-China on China’s southern border, Germany looked to its nominal ally to help protect its possessions in return for loans and aid in developing its economy and military. However in the period after the Great War China was wracked with civil wars and warlords fighting for control and Germany was worried that it would be unable to protect its new lands from the spreading conflict. The German army formed a permanent detachment, the Asian Corps (Asien Korps) to protect Indo-China, but the decade of civil war in Asia was still a concern to Germany.

When the KMT began to unify China Germany saw a chance to help unify and stabilize China, and donated large amounts of aid to the Nationalists during the late 20s and 30s. For Kai-shek, one of the most crucial aids came in military training for his army by German officers. The Nationalist’s army was often made up of different warlord’s personal soldiers, and the KMT knew it needed a body of well trained and loyal soldiers to accomplish this.

The 1930s saw great progress towards the “40 Division” goal, but political problems at home and the invasion by the Japanese in 1937 kept the program from reaching fruition. Germany, to the dismay of Kai-shek, remained neutral in the conflict although its firms in Indo-China and in China itself still continued to produce arms and armament for China.

Japan, like China, was also economically reliant on other nations. The most important trading partner for Japan was the United States of America, and as time progresses the diplomatic and economic ties between these two nations grew stronger. It was American steel that built Japanese ships and American oil that fueled them. America, without any significant interest in Asia beyond trading, was more than eager to sell arms and equipment to Japan during its war. In the popular mind Japan was viewed by American’s as being a “civilizing” influence on Asia and saw no problem in Japan expanding its influence over China.

Besides China and Germany, two other nations took a keen interest in the Japanese war. The first was Imperial Russia. It was understandably worried about Japanese intensions in the Far East, and had been for years. Beginning in the 1930s it had begun reinforcing its military strength along the Manchurian border to help dissuade Japan from attacking. Its own navy was to weak to contest the seas around Japan and as such the Russian leadership decided that it would need to win any war on the ground without the aid of reinforcements.

The other nation interested in Japan’s actions was Australia. With the United Kingdom falling to a fascist government the Commonwealth nations grew increasingly distant from the UK, making Australia and New Zealand both feel isolated and exposed. Australia, which was never a part of the wars against the United States and had few negative feelings about them, began purchasing arms and equipment from the USA, hoping to attract an Ally and increase their own military strength. The US was glad to serve Australia’s needs as it needed the extra employment during the Great Depression.

The most important of such sales to Australia included a series of three heavy cruisers for the Royal Australian Navy, a move that infuriated the UK government as they felt all the Commonwealth nations should purchase ships from their shipyards, not a nation they treated as a potential enemy.

Japan, however, was not interested in Australia or New Zealand. While it was engaged in a bitter war in China, Japan saw much to be gained from the Spanish Philippines, and Dutch East-Indies. However, for the time being Japan was content to finish the war with China as its close ties with the US ensured that many of its resource deficiencies were taken care of, including the all important oil.
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IstocnoSarajevo Featured By Owner May 25, 2015
Did Lenin, Ataturk, and Andres Bonifacio (the Filipino revolutionary) met their graves here?
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sakuradu13 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2013
Indochina was French territory this time
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2013
That's why it's *Alternate* history. Hence why it's Imperial Russia and not the USSR.
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Gisop Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013
is it real? ottoman in 1937
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2013
Not in real life, no. It's Alternate history, a continuation of my 'What If?' scenarios I used to devise in class instead of paying attention.
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ascoli00 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013
Excellent Histories
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spicywookie Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist
Shouldnt the German Empire have their colony of tsingtau in china ? other than that good work!
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
You are right, actually. But then, I also didn't include the other European enclaves on China's coast either, apparently.

An oversight on my part. I guess the best way to justify it would be to have China having seized the European holdings (barring Germany's) due to their alliance. That, or Japan jumping in to grab them at the end of the Great War.
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spicywookie Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist
that would work!
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Enricfan Featured By Owner May 28, 2012
Very Interesting map, but why do Tibet and Sinkiang have their post-1950s borders?
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
Those were the ones on the blank map I had from the time. To be honest, I imagine that those borders were not clearly defined back in the 30s, due to isolation, the landscape, the size of the borders, etc.

But in this case I simply used the map to modify, and those were left pretty much intact.
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canuleyo Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2012
Too much Kaiserreich my friend :D
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
Isn't that an HoI mod?

Never played it myself, but it did seem to develop quite a large following.
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canuleyo Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012
and DH mod too. Yeah quite a good mod.
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ConjurerOfCheapTrix Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2011
Interesting. The French no longer controls Indochina, which begs the question of dear Uncle Ho. What kind of experiences will he perceive outside of Vietnam since France is no longer its colonial master? Would he still go to France and embrace communism by some means?

Heck, what would be the fate of all famous leaders of the 20th century?
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2011
Don't really know; I imagine many of them are still kicking around. The question of how Imperial Germany would manage such distant colonies is an interesting one; even though the "won" the Great War, they still lack the same ability to project naval power as the UK.

If I had to suggest a preliminary idea I would gamble that 'Uncle Ho' would be a bit like Lenin during WW1, who was sent to Russia during the war by the Germans. The UK would use their maritime power to ensure that Ho would find his way back to Indochina to scrounge up some trouble.

And while Germany's army would be the strongest in the world, they lack the experience of the British and others dealing with colonial populations, so the response to unrest and nationalism in Indochina would result in two possible outcomes. The first would be the pragmatic: Germany would run their distant Asian colonies with a very hands off approach, less concerned about what they gained from the colonies than denying them to their rivals in Europe. In this situation their rule would be pretty limited and thus there would be less resistance (at first) due to allowing the people to run their own affairs to a fair degree.

However the other path is that Germany would follow the French model of sending in large numbers of troops to suppress any discontent, as for Germany the colonies would be economically important and signs of national prestige. It is interesting, because Germany's real-life colonial period was fairly limited. However if one looks at how they handled German East Africa it was a very efficient regime that managed to gain the loyalty of many local tribes.

Thus I imagine that the one I will certainly choose will be a mixture of the two: Germany tends to have a 'hands-off' approach to colonization that is less brutal than the French/Belgian models. In Africa its colonies would remain quite quite and face few uprisings. However Indochina would be a different problem for Germany after Ho made his way there with the help of the UK (who were sure to aid any nationalist/revolutionary groups). Thus in Indochina, Germany would be forced to dispatch larger garrisons of soldiers to the limits of its Empire. While most of its soldiers overseas would be in Indochina, there would still be plenty in its new African colonies to simply keep the peace.

This would turn out to be a problem for Germany: while its neighbor France began to rearm and fell to more extreme political ideologies Germany would find itself with itself overreaching and stretched out, its military stuck protecting colonies and leaving less troops in Europe to counter growing French power. The strength of the Royal Navy and French Navy combined would mean that in the case of war all these soldiers would likely be stranded overseas.
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner May 28, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Perhaps you should recognize the excellent model of Tanganyika. Germany was one of the nicest colonial masters, it simply lost its colonies during the Great War before the investments paid off.
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2013
It was better than some, certainly, but it also didn't have the same size or populations within its short-lasting colonial empire. The French and British had their colonies going back to the 16th century, while Germany only obtained theirs right at the end of the 19th century, and historically only held onto them for less than half a century.

We could look at German approaches to Poland during the 19th century and conquered lands during WW1 as other ways of judging how a victorious and proud Germany might handle its colonies too.

It's an open question, really, although an interesting one for sure.
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naturalbody Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
interesting , i have seen two turning points in this map
1) No War Usa - Spain on 1898
2) Probably Germany victorius on WWI
I like very much alternate history ! :D
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2011
Glad you liked it, and I too enjoy Alternate History. Which is, unfortunately, not widely explored outside of a few select authors.

Also it should be noted that this map (like my others) are all tied together, so the maps about North America during the 30s go with this one to give a wider representation of the world.
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zeraful Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010  Hobbyist
Indochine is belong to France, not German
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
Yes it did... historically. But after WW1, in this scenario, France lost its colonies to Germany.
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zeraful Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010  Hobbyist
I thought German lost the WWI :|
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
Yes they did... in real life. This is a Alternate-History scenario. Its not real.
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zeraful Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Hobbyist
Ok I see xD
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Quavera-Tava Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2010
Hey what kind of government is Japan?
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PleaseImJustaGirl Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014
 The figure head of the Emporer with a Peoples House called the Diet.
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Ahmedqatar Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2010
Japan has Empirical system .. now they have a democratic one!
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Quavera-Tava Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2010
No I mean in this universe.
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2010
Pretty similar to what they had historically: a government dominated/run by the military.
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Quavera-Tava Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2010
Mmm, your world has a lot of ups and downs compared to our world, and Japan not being Democratic is a downer.
Still great story.
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JASKNi Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
看到这个我就想骂小日本儿!
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2010
Sorry mate, I only speak English and Bad German. Although I can swear in farsi.
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Jon-t69 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2010
Caring for it it is 到? 个 I 就想? Small Japan 儿!
I tried to TRANSLATE Jaskni's comment, words, this is the best i could do...
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Jon-t69 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2010
Imperial Japan is trying to take-over, invade, occupy China and the rest of Asia!

I want to see this battle play out like Star Wars Clone Wars...EPIC! haha:)

Bonjour, Daemon of Decay, your Alternate History Time-line is looking really AWESOME, thoughtful, and full of historical knowledge, the DEVIL is in the DETAILS!:devil: haha
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2010
Thanks! And yeah, it would be pretty epic. Of course if Japan did anything like they did historically they would advance further into China then get bogged down and distracted elsewhere.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Japan next; how would the European nations deal with its expansionism?
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Jon-t69 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2010
Your Welcome, and
yeah :)
it WILL be interesting, I have enjoyed your creative writing immensely, your Alternate History Timeline is AWESOME, im Reading it again, I like the direction you have taken, inclusion of Japan!

In Anime, Japanese Artists and Writers/Creators play with the ideas and consequences of Military aggression in
Science-Fiction, as Cautionary Tales...What IF? Scenarios...
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What you are doing is similar and cool, Keep doing what your doing, Good Work, Bro.

In Real Life, I admire Japan, the People, so much.
When the United States dropped the Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese were forever changed by it, in so many ways... It ended theyre Military aggression, for they experienced the ultimate devastation of WAR, being destroyed by War, they stopped Invading China.

But in your story, i have to read more, im guessing that this didnt happen in your Alternate History Timeline... Japan didnt get bombed by the most powerful weapon ever made, and continued to invade China...

I want to find out if they become like the Nazis or U.S.A., England, how much Territory they gain before probably being defeated in a world war...
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2010
Japan wouldn't have been bombed by the US due to their tacit agreement about sharing the Pacific. With the US more focused on the Americas (Canada and the Confederacy) and having not expanded into the Pacific by taking the Philippines, they would be more willing to keep trading with Japan even after the invasion of China and such events like the Rape of Nanking.

China wouldn't be without allies during this period, however. The UK would not want Japan to control China, and neither would Germany. Both would supply China through their colonies to keep the fight up. You might get a Flying Tigers like volunteer (or mercenary, depending on your point of view) force operating in China, with a mix of Imperial German and Fascist British pilots aiding the Chinese. Although they would be enemies at home, neither nation would benefit from Japan winning its war with China.

The real problem is figuring out which side the Japanese would come in on in the Second World War. Both Germany and the UK have tempting colonies in the Far East. And with the US less interesting in Asian affairs (and thus trading more freely), Japan would not be so badly hampered as it was historically by a lack of fuel and metal. But if they misjudge the situation they could come in on the wrong side, or wind up antagonizing all the world powers.
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Jon-t69 Featured By Owner May 15, 2010
CANADA and the CONFEDERACY...:flagcanada::flagus::flaguk::flageu:
One and the Same. Backed by ENGLAND. British North America. NEW WORLD ORDER. ILLIUMINATI. SKULL & BONES. MASONS.
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Jon-t69 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2010
Japan's invasion of China in the Alternate History Time-line seems very similar to, parallels National Socialist Germany's invasion of Communist Russia during World War Two.:ninja:
:katana::ninjabattle::ninjastar::meditate::spyed2:

I'm guessing that both events would occur. Japan's invasion of China would RALLY all other opposing Nations, intimidated by the expansionism of Japan, into a powerful ALLIANCE to thwart the take-over of China. And if this happens, Japan will lose so much money fighting many wars and battles on different fronts, like Hitler and Nazi Germany, i think history would repeat itself and Japan would lose the world war. :community: :flagus:
:flaguk: :flagcanada:
:fork:

In Real Life, the United States of America dropped two Atomic:pumpkin::spotlight-right: bombs :spotlight-left: on Japan.:worker: :angered: :backstab: :wow:
:siamese::clone::strip::evileye::paranoid:


In your Alternate History Time-line story, can you create a similar event to parallel the actual historical event?

Maybe the American, Confederate and British National Fascist Military Scientists start creating top secret weapons of war...
:ufo::alien:
:gadget: :skullbones: :psychotic: :disbelief: :laughing::sleepy:
:cylon::mib::flame::ashamed::altermind:
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2010
Whats funny is that my approach to Japan invading China is pretty close to what happened historically. Japan conquered a huge swath of Chinese territory in our timeline (OTL), but didn't have the manpower to conquer it all AND fight the allies in the Pacific. In this situation, with less pressure on Japan (no US embargo, no US military presence in the Philippines, etc.) I expect Japan would make greater progress in conquering China. I doubt Japan would conquer it all for numerous reasons, but Japan would have a tighter hold on the important Coastal regions.

As for atomic weapons, they would still be developed. In OTL the Allies, Germany, and Soviet Union had begun programs towards developing nukes before the end of the war (and Japan had turned down the plan to seek such weapons and instead focused on "death rays" and other things. No kidding). They would show up too, but the might be developed slower and/or in different nations. For instance Einstein would still be in Europe.
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Jon-t69 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2010
A 1940's Era, Top-Secret Black Ops Project Japanese Military Death Ray?!

That's Awesome!
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2010
Yep. *Bzzap!*
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2010  Hobbyist Artist
I have a horrible feeling Japan will invade Mongolia and Sinkiang and strangle Nationalist China from all around.
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2010
Mongolia is probably not that attractive to Japan. Not only because Mongolia lacks any high concentration of essential resources, but it is also a concern of Russia, who has alot of sway there. Japan doesn't want to risk a land war with Russia while also fighting China. Or at least, not yet they don't...
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Muhad Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2010
I see this version of Asia to be quite pleasing
awesome job on the detail of events
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2010
Thanks!
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Muhad Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2010
you're welcome^^
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Tadamich-Kuribayashi Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2009
I have to say this alternate history is quite interesting. I'll have to look at more of you'r stuff.
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DaemonofDecay Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2009
Thanks!
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